Zack
Better.
Frank
Zack, watch the first 10 minutes of this documentary produced by ISIS, the people that are currently rampaging through Iraq. I am confident you will change your mind.
[Warning: Extremely Violent and Graphic Footage.]
phill
Great movie Frank… Who was the director?
Frank
Phill mate, the modern day terrorists are all film school graduates and extremely articulate in film history and techniques. Who knows, they may even read this blog.
People think I’ve posted the same old shit. Grainy footage of bombs blowing up stuff. The usual crap.
These ISIS terrorists are film literate graduates now brazenly and perversely filming their attacks.
Everything is subtitled and colour corrected and graded for the English viewer and is easy to understand.
It has a Hollywood look with audio and special effects and groovy Islamic contemporary music.
They are way ahead of the plodding camel-rooting sand nigger.
I watch these things to learn what these people believe in. The footage shown will haunt you for days.
You will never see this footage shown on SBS or ABC TV. YouTube will take this stuff down soon.
phill
Indeed Frank… This is going to spread once all the debts in Iraq are squared off. All the Iraqi’s that collaborated with the Yanks are either thinking about leaving or have left Iraq already.
An enemy as ruthless as this are hard to beat.
Hence the success of the Germans WW2.
It makes you wonder what Obama is going to do next? He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place.
If they don’t stop these gangsters in night dresses, for mine it will spread.
The numb nuts that gave the green light to the invasion of Iraq, should all be arrested and taken to the Hague.
There is a shit storm coming down the pike with this lot, that shouldn’t be that far away.
Colin O’Stomy
With Phil here.
Despite all the lies, most recently from Tony Blair again, it’s true that current events are a consequence of Western “missionary” interference, tending to raw, cynical greed from the Cheneyites.
Canguro
Be careful what you wish for, Frank.
If and when graduates of the ISIS school of snuff-noir stumble over Bob’s blog in their hunt for infidels and they see this character called Frank cracking on about plodding camel-rooting sand niggers, nyuk nyuk, wink wink, bask in the light of my cutting egde wit … I’m sure working out where the Noosa retirement village is and where Mr and Mrs Frank’s unit is, is a small step.
Frank
I’m ready for ‘em Canguro. I’ve skinned a scrawny goat before.
Its amazing how quickly you get used to the sight of blood.
I feel sorry for the poor young boys in Iraq. 1700 slaughtered over the weekend if you believe what they tell you.
All in the name of Allah.
Bloody outrageous. Religion should be banned. Its bloody deadly in the hands of imbeciles.
I thank God I’m an infidel.
Canguro
‘Religion should be banned.’
Great idea. Hassling and harrassing people over imaginary heavenly beings has long past its useful utility.
Any suggestions as to the practicals?
Last words from George.
Doug Quixote
Wish I knew. Persecuting the bastards doesn’t work, they take it as a challenge. Killing them doesn’t help, it only makes martyrs (unless you can get ‘em all).
Education works quite well; that is why they want to control the syllabus and prevent any education at all in extreme cases; except perhaps to read the holy books.
Though a small priestly class can read it to them; worked for the RCs in the middle ages, and for the Taliban lately.
Glow Worm
Thanks for the link to George, Canguro – one of the greats.
DQ – I’m not sure if the news report is true, but there is a movement by Muslims in the UK to have their own syllabus in schools in Birmingham, designed by ‘community elders’ and local Imams.
This is a catastrophe in the making.
doug quixote
It will be true all right. The fundamentalist Christians want just the same control over school syllabus.
It is why education must be compulsory, secular and free.
Paul
Worse, but every time the west interferes, it creates more insurgents and extremists. I bet there’s people who anti Saddam and happy to see the Americans, then flipped support when a bomb fell on their relatives.
Colin O’Stomy
Yep.. we have NO credibility and now that the West can no longer Impose imperialist or colonialist government over the region, it is reverting back to natural geographic, ethnic and cultural borders… Sunni tending to Sunni and Shia to Shia.
Blake
Hard to be worse than Saddam. But anyone trying to re-install theocratic totalitarianism can’t really be good and should be crushed before they get too far.
phill
Blake are you going to crush them?
Blake
No, last I checked America had the largest armed forces humankind has ever seen, and passed legislation in 1998 to remove Saddam and didn’t until 2003. They (not we)are morally obligated to liberate mesopotamia from Saddam and his Saudi Allies who want the entire middle east to be one big caliphate. Isis are what’s left and need to go the way of Saddam.
phill
What! They are not morally obligated to do anything.
They only went into Kuwait to protect the oil fields owned and operated by the the U.S. and Britain.
The Saudi’s want no such thing. Brother!
F.I.Kendall
phill: For what it’s worth…Kate Adie was a very reputable reporter for the BBC in various theatres of war. In her memoirs she mentions how, during the 1st Gulf war, British soldiers were headquarted in a Saudi city. She says how annoyed the local Saudis were by this, and how their complaint was: “We’re paying you to fight our war. We shouldn’t have to put up with your presence as well.”
Hemingway
Whatever else Saddam might have been and done, he was the USA poster boy when using American military resources to fight a feckless war against Iran.
It’s perhaps more instructive to compare Saddam’s regime with other iniquitous dictatorships to which Americans have given aid and comfort: Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlav, Thieu and Ky, Lon Nol, Pinochet. Most bizarre and infamous of all, was the fascist dictator, General Franco, whose military coup attained power only after Hitler’s spanking new hardware wreaked horrors upon Spain’s cities like Guernica. Aside from war deaths, Franco created concentration camps where at least 200,000 Republicans perished. None of this turned out to constitute the slightest obstacle for America when, less than a decade after WW II, the US Air Force was leasing bases in Spain.
As for the Iraqis’ grasping on to yet another golden opportunity to slaughter each other, this calls to mind Robert Bolt’s dialogue spoken by Peter O’Toole after his first encounter with Sherif Ali in ‘Lawrence of Arabia’:
“So long as Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people. Greedy, barbarous and cruel………”
Glow Worm June 16, 2014 at 11:24 am
A brief lesson in American politics (with a sideways salute to Gore Vidal)
First, create an enemy that does not have a face, and can morph into any shape, with any visage, at any time you like: let’s call it ‘The Commie’ for argument’s sake.
Second, any time you want to further the cause of Capitalism and enhance the wealth and wellbeing of your donor-cronies, invoke the first principle.
Third, embed the fear of ‘The Commie’ so deeply, that even many, many years later, when a perfectly decent piece of legislative reform – such as Universal Health Insurance – is proposed, all your audience can think of is ‘The Commie’ and the dreadful Socialist future that invokes.
Simple, really.
And Howard tried damn hard to do it with ‘Asylum Seekers’ aka ‘Boat People’. Good little learner, him.
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Hemingway13 June 16, 2014 at 12:39 pm
You speak truly. Right now we’re spoiled for choice of Orwellian enemies:
Russia, Syria, No. Korea, Iran, Al Queda, Taliban, and this latest horde of Sunni “terrorists” in Iraq.
Armaments makers of the world rejoice! Evidently Australia is the largest single customer of America’s world-leading weapons industry.
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Hemingway13 June 16, 2014 at 12:52 pm
Glow,
Article about Australia’s being greatest weapon customer of America:
“Australia is now the seventh-largest importer of major arms in the world and the biggest customer of the largest weapons producer, the US.
Australia buys 10 per cent of all American weapons exports.
Figures from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)…….”
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australia-buys-up-enters-asian-ar
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Glow Worm June 16, 2014 at 1:56 pm
Read it this morning with my morning cereal, H13, much to the dismay of my digestive system.
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Hugh Weiss June 16, 2014 at 1:12 pm
No One should be surprised at events in Iraq & the rest of the Middle East today. Or what happened in the Balkans a decade ago. And across South East Asia & the Indian sub continent for so long.
The seeds of ongoing unrest were quite deliberately planted nearly a century ago when the British & French conspired to redraw the maps of Africa & Europe, to exploit internal ethnic, tribal & religious divisions as tool of oppression against any challenge to their now crumbled colonial empires.
Traditional & natural entities like Kurdistan ceased to exist. Split across the borders of Turkey, Syria & Iraq the Kurds have struggled against oppression ever since & ensured instability across the region, just as the the religious divide between Sunni, Shia, Shiite, Alawite, Christian, Maronite & any other ‘ite’ ensures eternal disunity everywhere.
The Americans are ‘Johnny come latelies’ at this game & have never really understood it. Time after time, they rush in for their own selfish reasons, always linked to money, insisting they can ‘bring democracy’ to an area of centuries of entrenched mistrust. Even when democratic election produces an overwhelming vote of confidence in the winner, the result will only prevail if it suits the Yanks. The Greek & Vietnamese elections in the 1950s were destined to elect a government that didn’t suit the yanks. So they prevented them going ahead. And the UN supervised Palestinian election which saw an Hammas government elected, was soon disowned, discredited & effectively overthrown by Israel & the masters of democracy.
Ah Hem, they think we are all too stupid to see the deviousness of their ways. One has to wonder though, how one supposedly educated, civilised society can so consistently get it so wrong.
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Glow Worm June 16, 2014 at 1:41 pm
Masterfully expressed, Hugh.
At the core of it is the internal struggle in America between the forces of ‘Capitalism’ and the forces of ‘Democracy’ and those who believe the two are one and the same, and those who believe (a minority, alas) the two can find expression separately.
As today’s world abundantly shows, Capitalism can thrive perfectly well under Communism, but it’s a lesson that is lost on most Americans.
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Hugh Weiss June 16, 2014 at 2:36 pm
So true GW.
Capitalism exists within every political system.
Government is a tool by which a society is managed. Capitalism is about the accumulation of wealth by individuals. I would argue it can never be a basis for delivery of good government.
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Glow Worm June 16, 2014 at 3:12 pm
It strikes me as sinister that untruths become so deeply believed to be truths, in such a short time.
The above is one: that Capitalism and Democracy are indivisible.
Another is that National Debt or in current coarse-speak, a ‘Budget Blowout’ is a catastrophe of enormous proportions, equivalent to an invasion from outer space, or a global tsunami, or nuclear war.
These are preposterous beliefs yet the naked emperors and scoundrels of the world keep parading around in them, and there are not enough children left to point at them and laugh.
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Geoff June 16, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Hugh, they replaced slavery with wage-slavery and gave the people two outlets of fantasy; Hollywood and guns, and have kept them corralled with all the myths we are familiar with, America the brave, If you work hard enough you can make it too, government handouts are commie, etc. Guns can’t be seen as social issue any more; but a deeply rooted psychological one. A large section of the population doesn’t do drugs, it does guns instead, as compensation for the great big lie.
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doug quixote June 16, 2014 at 11:20 am
All depends what you mean by ‘worse’ and ‘better’.
At the cost of hundreds of lives, Saddam kept Iraq together as one country, and despite the religious fundamentalists some progress was made towards modernising Iraq and improving the lives of its people.
What will this present lot do? One suspects many thousands will die before the country may settle down.
Is that worse, or better?
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Anon June 16, 2014 at 11:41 am
Iraq, before we invaded it, and Afghanistan, before it was invaded by the USSR, were two of the more moderate, progressive Muslim nations. Yes I know they were not progressive compared to a hundred other countries, but they were making progress, slowly and painfully.
They have been bombed back into the stone age, as our allies promised.
Saudi Arabia, a great ally of the West, is one of the least progressive, most fundamentalist nations on earth. Hence its support of terrorism. Hence the carefully obscured fact that most of the 9/11 crew were Saudis. Hence the fact that Bin Laden was a Saudi.
Interestingly, Saudi Arabia is a younger nation that Australia, brought into existence with the collaboration of the UK, and strengthened by oil deals with the USA.
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doug quixote June 16, 2014 at 12:17 pm
True about the Saudis. Ibn Saud’s story reads like something out of the middle ages, an adventurer storming out of the desert and founding a nation.
The subsequent history reads like just about every other robber baron history, and an unlikely one it was for the 20th century.
Of course, none of it would matter much if they weren’t sitting on a goodly fraction of the world’s oil reserves.
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phill June 16, 2014 at 1:26 pm
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phill June 16, 2014 at 1:27 pm
“Of course, none of it would matter much if they weren’t sitting on a goodly fraction of the world’s oil reserves.”
Yep, and all the other analysis is so much packing.
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Anon June 16, 2014 at 4:25 pm
’30 Fascinating Photos Of 1960s Afghanistan’: note the girls attending school and the female teachers.
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/1960s-afghanistan?galleryPage=2&showall=true
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allthumbs June 16, 2014 at 11:51 am
Three missing Israeli teenage boys, suspected kidnapped, will be reason enough to halt again any possible Peace talks and stop Hamas and Fatah from building a meaningful coalition.
The Westbank will be a minor sideshow compared to Iraq.
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doug quixote June 16, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Just about any excuse is used. One could be forgiven for thinking that Mossad sometimes manufacture a situation to derail peace talks. And if they don’t, then the Islamists do.
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Hugh Weiss June 16, 2014 at 1:29 pm
Peace is not helpful while there are buckets of money in land development.
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Hemingway13 June 16, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Salient commentary from Juan Cole on this matter of Saddam’s crimes:
“…….there was no genocide going on in Iraq in 2002, and the Bush-Blair invasion and occupation significantly increased mortality rates. The Saddam Hussein regime did kill people. But many of those died in the Iran-Iraq War, in which Reagan and Thatcher backed Iraq, the clear aggressor. To then use the casualties of that war as a basis for invading Iraq in 2003 is Orwellian.”
http://www.juancole.com/2014/06/quagmire-lawbreaking-deception.html
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Ron Barnes June 16, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Saddam Hussein was an angel compared to what has happened to his country. He had problems yes, but he kept the dissenters in a position of control. Like in any country that have ethnic tensions end in violence that has shown its ugly head every in the middle east. They never found the aledged weapon’s of mass destruction and the liberal government of the time was selling wheat to him Via the Australian wheat board when the west had an embargo on him. Then their was the time he paid for medical help to an Australian girl to go to America for treatment. But like all leaders he had good points and bad ones Just like our Liberal National Government of the present time.
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phill June 16, 2014 at 7:16 pm
You can’t make this shit up you really can’t. Hussein was a homicidal maniac. A killer par excellence. He had no redeeming features what so ever nada, nothing, nil.
He kept his people under control by sheer terror and the threat of torture and death. Backed up by the west.
Should we have invaded his country ? No.
We are going to get a shit storm from this policy fuck up, that will eventually rear its head in every capital city in Australia.
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Richelieu II June 17, 2014 at 12:33 am
Probably worse if they achieve power. The Shiites will probably fight back and hold the south and Kurds break off in the far north. Its quite hard to see Iraq staying together in the long term. Most likely it will break into separate nations like the former Yugoslavia in the 90s or Sudan recently. Unless there is some democratic flowering and economic revival in Iraq. Its amazing how restrained the Shiite populous have been in general considering they have been targets of horrific violence over the past 12 years. Its also amazing how Bush and Cheney got away with the fact that there was no WMD. The whole reason they stated that the invasion was needed and yet this barely passed with a whisper. A few news items, a few BBC reports and that’s it.
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Richelieu II June 17, 2014 at 12:34 am
We continue to punish the young, to offload our problems onto future generations and to reduce opportunity by encouraging and enshrining a class-based nation, writes Ian Verrender.
A nation of egalitarians or a divided bunch of sectarians engaged in class warfare?
Treasurer Joe Hockey last week invoked the C word – class – as his stoic budget defence ground on into its second month.
The Treasurer appears genuinely dismayed by the extent and breadth of community opposition to his maiden financial statement. But his efforts to portray the hostility as a predictable response from political reactionaries was dealt a cruel blow by the Australian Financial Review.
Just hours before Hockey’s address to the Sydney Institute, Hamish Douglass, chief executive of financial services group Magellan in a lunch time address, urged the new Treasurer to rein in tax rorts for the rich so funds could be redirected to the poor.
The reports, carried in the same edition of the AFR, served to highlight the growing community unease over the Government’s ideological push.
But a new fissure has opened up in the political and economic landscape, defined not so much by wealth, but by generation.
The generational divide, for decades enshrined by governments of all political persuasions, has taken on new meaning.
Unemployed youth will be denied benefits for six months, under the proposed new “earn or learn” test. Those that choose higher education will be slugged far more than their forebears and will spend many years paying down education debts. And when it comes to buying property, only those from wealthy families – with the prospect of an inheritance – will ever be able to contemplate owning a home.
We appear to be in a state of regression, to a time prior to the 1970s when only those from privileged backgrounds could entertain the prospect of pursuing professional careers, when one’s background determined one’s future.
It is an odd stance for several reasons. First, the vast majority of those now driving the agenda for higher education fees and greater debt burden on the youth either paid absolutely nothing or a minimal amount for their undergraduate degrees, given fees were introduced only in 1989.
Regardless of their current political leanings, they happily embraced the Whitlam-era philosophy of free education. And not one has offered to repay the cost of that free education (with or without interest) to back their conviction.
Second, given the challenges facing the nation – an ageing population that will need to be supported by a smaller proportion of those of working age along with new technology that can instantly transport jobs around the globe – it should be a priority that we ensure the next generation is able to adapt and thrive in the modern world.
Official unemployment figures last week show a concerning rise in youth joblessness, with more than 18.5 per cent out of work. Even worse, the participation rate – those actively seeking work – dropped to 53.1 per cent. Had all those unemployed been looking, the numbers would have been far worse.
Alarming as those figures are, they need to be put into perspective. It is always difficult for those immediately out of school and with little experience to find work. In August 2008, youth unemployment dropped to 12.6 per cent with 58 per cent participation. So there has been a significant deterioration since then.
But 2008 was about as good as it has ever been. In the winter of 1983, youth unemployment rose above 24 per cent and hit 25 per cent in the winter of 1992.
Predictably, last week’s youth employment numbers sparked calls from business lobby groups for the abolition of Fair Work Australia and lower wages for younger workers, citing the deteriorating numbers in the past six years as evidence, while conveniently overlooking the longer term trends.
Perhaps the greatest failing from the recent budget was the Government’s failure to address our galloping real estate market, which has concentrated wealth within households that own property.
What the business lobby should focus on are methods to lift labour force skills, in an era where improved productivity will become increasing vital. That involves a greater investment in education, not cuts.
Another interesting study emerged from the soon-to-be-gutted Australian Bureau of Statistics this week on household debt, which highlighted the deteriorating plight of our youth.
With $1.85 trillion on tick, Australian households are among the world’s most indebted no matter how you measure it; in terms of income, assets and historically. The ABS numbers showed that 75 per cent of that debt related to real estate compared to 50 per cent back in 1990, indicating just how much property values have surged.
In addition, the breakdown also showed a jump in student loans. Average student loan debt per household jumped from $13,900 in 2003 to $17,200 in 2012.
That trend is likely to accelerate given the Federal Government’s proposal to allow universities to charge market rates, which, if the UK experience is anything to go by, is likely to see an overall rise in tertiary education costs.
On top of that, a change to the interest charges on higher education loans – from the inflation rate to the government bond rate – will substantially add to the interest burden placed upon the young.
Those choosing not pursue a higher education will find themselves without an income or safety net for six months. While there is no doubt that welfare fraud exists, the danger posed by these proposed new measures is that any savings from welfare payment reduction could well be outweighed by higher crime rates and associated social problems.
Perhaps the greatest failing from the recent budget was the Government’s failure to address our galloping real estate market, which has concentrated wealth within households that own property.
Australia’s property obsession was highlighted by recent analysis from investment bank UBS that estimated up to 95 per cent of current new lending by our major banks has been directed into residential real estate.
During the past 30 years, financial deregulation – which flooded the economy with cheap cash – and government policies designed to encourage property speculation – negative gearing, capital gains tax reductions and the exemption of the family home from all tax – have helped contribute to an explosion in property values.
Housing serves a social function, so it is not without value. But apart from supporting the construction industry, it is largely non-productive.
The International Monetary Fund last week announced increased surveillance of global property markets in a study that identified Belgium, Canada and Australia as the three developed countries where property was the least affordable.
Had the Government wound back some of the tax incentives driving Australian real estate markets in its budget, it could have narrowed the deficit and made housing more affordable.
Instead, it opted to strip welfare payments and tax benefits from lower and middle income earners. But the tax lurks on property remain, ensuring continued speculation, higher prices and a greater concentration of wealth to those who come from property owning families.
It also significantly adds to the cost of doing business. High residential property values require increased wages to pay rent or service loans. That also forces up the price of commercial real estate in major urban areas in a direct impost on business.
If the business lobby was serious about lowering costs, it should take aim, not at wages, but the root cause for Australia’s high cost base.
Instead, we continue to punish the young, to offload the problem onto future generations and to reduce opportunity by encouraging and enshrining a class-based nation.
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Richelieu II June 17, 2014 at 12:36 am
Apologies Above is copy from ABC Site
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Geoff June 17, 2014 at 7:43 am
The majority of the $1.85 billion on tick is a direct result of John fucking Howards tax cuts. He might have got rid of public debt but he grossly encouraged borrowing and spending to give us this private debt, most of it borrowed from overseas. WHEN are we going to wake up to what lousy economists the Libs are?
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Zathras June 17, 2014 at 12:06 pm
A century of Western interference in the Middle East has caused this. Overthrowing democratically elected governments and replacing them with despots to ensure the continual supply of cheap oil worked for a while but not for much longer.
Likewise, the rise of miltant Islam was the result of their/our meddling.
I suspect it will get much worse until it gets better and ISIS are just the latest incarnation of that struggle.
Funny how the term “too extreme for Al Qaeda” ha become a meme in itself without anything of substance to back it up.
I place it up there with Bin Laden’s hollowed-out mountain fortress, Saddam’s people shredder and WMDs for another media tool to soften us up for future adventures.
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doug quixote June 17, 2014 at 12:28 pm
Hardly. The Muslims have been happily slaughtering each other for 1200 years or so, without any need for the West to help.
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allthumbs June 17, 2014 at 12:58 pm
The safest and sanest outcome for the West would be to let these eternally splintering groups to break down further into their constituent parts, (I’m imagining snowflakes and images of fractals).
The suffering of the innocent would be “upsetting” but it will keep the competing ideologies, tribes, sects busy, busy, busy and sap their energies and draw their attention away from “us”.
A Caliphate, really? They cannot unify a country, a city, a suburb, a street.
Think of the divisions with the Palestinian people, or the people of Lebanon.
I call it Aggressive Non-Intervention.
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