Nanalevu April 22, 2014 at 7:50 am
Thanks Bob. This is exactly how I feel about ANZAC Day. I am here in Turkey again. Was here last year but stayed away from Galipolli on 25 April. Visited it instead on 19 May, a Turkish national day when Turks flood in to Canakkale to commemorate their fallen. If our diggers back then had the opportunity to travel all through this peninsular and seen this rich and varied land they would have known it would not be given up easily.
And it is good to read you write of how Paul Keating said Australia already had nothing to prove, no need for this ‘great game of drongos’.
Helvi April 22, 2014 at 8:33 am
I’m have not recovered from watching young long-haired, bare-footed men dragging crosses on my TV screen, and now the old men bent down with medals go o’marching…
Give me a real Carnival like they do in Rio.
chris hunter at 8:38 am
Well I for one will be giving a talk to sixty young men and twenty adults at a bush camp at Cape Elizabeth (near where I live) on this coming ANZAC eve. The theme being ANZAC and the recipients of this discourse young Mormons.
I will be reading some of my anti-war poems and generally railing against The Great Stupidity. I am of course not a religious person in the normal sense so it should be interesting.
There is real doubt about Bert Facey’s personal account of the first wave of the ANZAC landing. Records show Facey was not in the first wave, I realised that when I read his book – his account of relentless machine gun fire did not ring true – just a few errant shots greeted the first to land. In fact a Maori section reached the top of the peninsular on the first day, had lunch, then wandered back down the hill again to the Cove..
They never regained that position again. Churchill’s gambit in tatters. A monumental fuck up – like South Vietnam.
Doug Quixote at 1:08 pm
The argument is that we need some day to commemorate. This day was always a strange choice, and we now seem to be stuck with it, by historical accident and sheer inertia.
I agree with you and with Keating on Kokoda being a far better choice for a commemoration; is there a suggestion as to which date might be suitable?
Perhaps 28 September when the Japanese started to withdraw, after almost getting in sight of Moresby. This was the first time the Japanese advance had been reversed anywhere (28/09/1942)
Or the recapture of Kokoda on the 2 November, though that is probably a date too close to Armistice Day.
chris hunter at 1:35 pm
Whilst ANZAC day certainly celebrates a military defeat it has of course altered a bit in meaning since inception.
As a former RSL president I made sure the town Fire Brigade, Boy Scouts, Cubs, Ambos etc were invited to march along too – in reality ANZAC day has slowly evolved into an annual day of march, commemorating all past wars and battles (sacrifices).
After WW1 the bereavement was so great, the wound so raw, that something had to be done. In England they began the memorial project, one in each town, as a way of directing the grief. That practice spread to the outer reaches of the Empire. As we see today.
Prior to this the wives and mothers (and families) actually searched through the grizzly French battlefields for their loved ones, picking through the sun dried grinning corpses. On some occasions with success.
This is a different age, they did, in their ancient madness, the best they could. ANZAC will stay.
Doug Quixote at 4:37 pm
I daresay. The forces of history, inertia and a general conservatism in the community will ensure that.
But after 100 years or so it will outlive its use; Waterloo Day was a big thing once, but how many even notice 18 June these days?
But as the prophet says, we shall see what we shall see.
Chris O’Neill at 4:28 pm
This holocaust of blood where more men died than at Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together
Of course, the apologists for the Japanese killing machine would have us believe that soldiers’ lives are worthless.
Glow Worm at 12:32 am
Chris O’Neill – if I can venture a small observation from my recent travels in Malaysia.
There is a museum in KL that portrays the history of the peninsula from earliest days (Bronze Age) to today. Detailed vignettes. Copious notes. Photographic treasures. Relics, mementos. Historic documents. All fascinating.
There is one obscure, dusty glass box containing a Samurai sword, a few buttons and a uniform, a proclamation, and a bare, sketchy narrative on the Japanese occupation. I thought it decidedly odd, and BB at once detected a conspiracy – placating Japanese tourists and ensuring continued investment.
We mentioned this lack of “detail” on the Japanese occupation of 1941-45 to our taxi driver – an Indian – who responded emotionally that the bastards had murdered his Grandfather: by public beheading. Even in the humidity and heat, it caused a chill through my heart.
He agreed with BB – the 100,000 (civilian) dead as a result of the Japanese killing machine has been whitewashed in recent history – a ‘real-politik’ of a curious kind.
I must re-visit the war memorial in Canberra soon …
I think perhaps it’s too late to change April 25th, but it should be, perhaps, more of a memorial day: Kokoda, Villers-Brettoneux, Long Tan …
Jenny April 23, 2014 at 10:37 am
Ah yes agreed re spin, but then if not ANZAC day, then how do we honour the poor bastards who have been killed and maimed and brutalised in all these damn wars…? Lest we forget. You can’t possibly expect that Joe Bloggs the average Australian punter would actually bother to find out what really happened in all those heinous battles in all those heinous wars do you? No Gallipoli is a symbol, one easily digestible massacre in a dim and distant war full of many many massacres. Gallipoli kinda neatly sums it up, a nice simple mythologised battle to give the ‘dimwits’ some heroes to hold on to, in a world so bereft of heroes give the punters their Gallipoli – Surely its better than nothing?
allthumbs April 23, at 12:02 pm
I dislike seeing no movement on this blog for such a long time, it is not a good look and therefore I offer at random a page from the Melbourne Argus, page 7 in fact from April 25th 1930 in regards to the media attention given to ANZAC day back then compared to now.
I would also commend a read of the adjacent column concerning a petrol enquiry and the role of Victorian Attorney General, to show how little ground we have made during the intervening years.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/521659?zoomLevel=6
Doug Quixote at 12:45 pm
While you are at it, look at the adjoining articles, including one on Menzies’ connection to Shell Petroleum.
It is a 1933 newspaper, BTW.
chris hunter at 3:16 pm
The Libs invented petrol sniffing.
Zathras April 24 at 12:24 am
I’ve always considered it a day of shame for those politicians who sacrificed so many on the altar of greed and self-interest. It fills me more with anger than with any sense of pride.
It’s a day when some people should be cowering under their beds instead of using it as recruitment propaganda for the next generation of innocent victims.
Smedley Butler’s admission that “War is A Racket” should be taught in schools.
Wood + Stone April 24 at 6:12 am
Churchill’s imaginative plan for the Dardenelles was an attempt to bypass the wall of blood red mountains that stretched from Nieuwpoort to Mulhausen.
I don’t think anyone could seriously argue that the idea itself was without merit.
Rollcall: Owen, Rosenberg, Sorely, West, McCrae, Thomas, Apollinaire, Marc, Macke, Boccioni, Abbey, Dichamp-Villon, Schiele.
Bob Ellis at 7:19 am
It was a good idea, and they landed on the wrong beach, and failed to link up with the British, as arranged. Churchill tried to call it off, but the boy in the telegraph office didn’t understand the message.
Had it been done properly the First War would have been over by Christmas, 1915.
And there would have been no Second War.
Discuss.
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