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For Nielson the linked question is: Where do they earn their money? To both….
“…. the super cried, ‘There’s an answer there!’”
http://www.nielsen.com/au/en.html
If you’re so confident that Labor is going to win the election in a landslide, why are you even concerned with what the polls say? Seems a bit strange to me.
Because, you oaf, some people vote for what they believe is a winner, and I want Labor to have a MASSIVE landslide.
So people will suddenly think, “Hang about, everyone else is voting for the other fella, so I’d better as well!”?
I think that’s rather unlikely. Unless you can produce evidence to support this argument?
is this the first time you have ever read anything about politics, and so you are completely clueless, or are you a Lib shill? doesn’t seem any other possibility, unless someone is holding your fingers while you type and you are just very unintelligent, in which case I admire your efforts in communicating with us all
What are you trying to say, johnsalmond?
A worthwhile link that might get the female vote up.
http://noplaceforsheep.com/2013/06/20/so-our-convoy-wasnt-feminist-bite-me-baby/
And another one.
http://noplaceforsheep.com/2013/06/17/the-convoy-of-cleavage-in-which-the-breast-strikes-back/
…and these two have been taken up by; Huffington Post, UK Telegraph, UK daily Mail, Decan Chronicle (India), and by a Dutch paper…
Shame on you, you Aussie Liberals, men and women.
Grace Collier comes up with some very insightful material but I can’t understand what she has against cleavage.
I have no objections to it at all.
Agreed. Although it is Julia Gillard’s cleavage we’re speaking about…
Now Jennifer’s Cleavage Convoy is noticed in Italy, Giornallettismo.
Good on ya, Jen.
Good for Gillard too, I hope.
RICHOnsaid on radio 2GBias Labor will have a new leader within a week. Do people in the Labor Party still talk to Richo Bob?
He’s been saying that sort of shit for 2 years.
String him up by the yarbles.
Richo doesn’t get fined if he’s wrong. And that’s what the doddering cuckold Murdoch wants him to say.
In his shoes, I’d say it too.
He’s on Q&A this coming Monday.
Giving the oil.
Leaking oil.
I dislike him just as much I do Akerman.
George whingeing Brandis on as well.I rate him and Soapy Mirabella the worst of the worst Liberals. Brandis does nothing but whinge and interrupt people on Lateline….and worst of all the liar awards himself an SC.Hey has ANYBODY ever seen this bloke smile?
No. Another horror: Abetz. Sophie and Kelly also keep their mouths moving, which I find most irritating…are they chewing gum…I have to look away.
Helvi…I used to have nightmares of waking up and finding Soapy Mirabella lying in bed next to me.
sadly, every party needs some buffoon to do the dirty work, smuggle out the rubbish, tell especially blatant lies, etc, and usually they have a very inflated idea of their role in the scheme of things, because the real power-wielders jolly them along. Richo.
I worked for the Australian Bureau of Statistics for a couple of years, and one thing that became clear was that, if a survey intended to show a certain outcome, then it would likely show that outcome.
For instance, I worked in a survey that was done incorrectly (Business Use of information Survey). The survey sought to indicate the amount Australians spent online. This figure was incorrectly recorded for 3 years. When the ABS realised this, they moved the survey to a different team but, the following quarter’s result still indicated a figure that remained within the trend they had established with previous surveys.
Over time I learnt that this was referred to as “massaging the data.” The point here is that the ABS cannot release data that directly contradicts their previous result unless there is a ‘real world’ reason for it. In cases where the collection process was faulty, they are forced to ‘massage’ the data in order for it to sit in the same ballpark as previous figures. If they did not do this, they would have to admit they were previously wrong, and then people would have to be be held to account.
I suspect similar things happen with polls. They probably operate with 2 main restrictions. 1. They need to remain within a similar range to previous results, unless there is an event/situation they can point to to explain the radical change; and 2. They need to indicate a trend. No point doing repeated polls that show an arbitrary up/down/up/down pattern. If you are doing repeated surveys, you want to establish a trend, even if there isn’t one.
I suspect this is why, at election time, polls often show a 48% to 52% or 49% to 51% two party preferred results. They have the power to fuck around with the figures in between elections but, at the point of the election they have to bring the figure back to something they know will be close to the actual result. Given the the polls are probably shoddy, and because landslide election results are fairly uncommon, the 49% to 51% prediction is usually the safest bet.
I don’t know who will win the election but, I’m willing to bet the polls will be much more conservative on election day.
They are lying in the sense they are probably telling us want they think we want to hear in an attempt to cover up their own incompetence.
Excellent Jed : I will re-post this in a later thread if I may.
Thanks. You may.