Two questions.
When has Bob Brown ever been wrong?
When has Gerard Henderson ever been right?
Give instances.
And, oh yes.
On what issues has the Prime Minister been right in the last five years?
Name two.
Assange? East Timor? Aghanistan?
Name two.
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When has Bob Brown ever been wrong? Perhaps when he chose to disassociate himself from Marrickville Council’s endorsement of the BDS campaign against Israel’s Lebensraum in the Occupied Territories. But that is very strictly picking hairs.
True, I guess. I could say ‘he had no choice’, but he, Bob Brown, always has that kind of choice, and takes it.
Which leaves his unsmirched in his other forty years of politics
Very much in accord with you there, Bob
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When he claimed that the Australian coal industry was directly responsible for the 2011 Queensland floods
Bob Brown was wrong when he chose not to support Kevin Rudd’s ETS legislation, and thereby brought down the legitimate govement of the people. He is an ass.
Except Alistair he did not say that, that was a media beat up.
He said that fossil fuels were causing the climate change that caused the flooding.
Two different things.
When was Gillard right? Hmmmm. That is a hard one.
That’s it Bob…that’ll show those TeaPartyNukeMuttonheadChildrenOverboardTelecardAffairStinkyForeignersTurnEmBackAndLetEmDrownJoe’s-mate-lost-66billion-but-no-worries-we’ll-find-it verminous cesspit dwellers, we really mean business!
I mean, you’re old enough….when was the last time Conservatives turned on Conservatives in this country??
I ask you?
The Conservatives are organised, militant, faithful and in for the long haul.
And us?
Well….we sit here questioning eachother as to the merits of OUR PM.
Funny thing…I’ve never read Ackerman, Bolt, Henderson et al question their Party (and members)the way we, (you), do.
Why is that?
Give 5 reasons.
Or 4.
Or even 3.
Perhaps 2.
I’ll take 1.
One will be fine.
Write it Bob.
Sharpen your wits…and unburden yourself.
Severe.
Precise.
Dead right JG - all Bob wants is an argument, and he would eat his own young before admitting that Gillard is a good PM.
As I vaguely remember they did question Bill McMahon, John Gorton, Bill Snedden, Malcolm Frazer, Andrew Peacock, Alexander Downer, Don Chipp, Brendan Nelson, Malcolm Turnbull.
Wasn’t it Bolt who asked wasn’t it time for Howard to go before the last election? Didn’t he question the loyalty to the party and the political views of Turnbull?
Did Abbott show loyalty to Turnbull, did Turbull show loyalty to Nelson?
Doesn’t Frazer continually question the Libs as to their present stance on many policies?
What gives the Tories their cohesiveness is their unified front to ousting the ALP and the left in general from Government.
True Believer’s comment is just plain stupid. Are you, as a True Believer, going to boycott of all Intel components in your computer as they are Israeli made; remove all anti-virus software, Network Firewalls etc as used by Microsoft as they were created in Israel? Will you stop sending SMSs as this is an Israeli invention too? How about refusing to use Skype, is that something you’ll pledge to do, given it was developed in Israel? And you’ll refuse to go through the new airport security being used in Sydney & Melb as they were developed in Tel Aviv?
If you have a heart attack, you’ll refuse a stent as, you guessed it, Jews invented it in the Holy Land!
And needless to say, you’ll never have an MRI, iris scan or eye laser surgery either.Them Jews on Palestinian land invented those too. Damn them. First the baby Jesus gets it, and now they stop me having an MRI.
Honestly True Believer, I think you’re a fraud and you’ll use your computer, your mobile phone, your security walls, and your airport security and in doing so be another hypocrite with double standards.
As the saying goes - prove me wrong!
(Apologies Mr Ellis for using your website to attack this show pony).
Gillard did the right thing in challenging Kevin Rudd for the leadership, as it will shorten her Political career by about 10 years. She should be rewarded for such selflessness.
Gillard is right on Afghanistan and she is right on Tony Abbott; she is right on the carbon price and she is right on the NBN. She is right on industrial relations and the dismantling of workchoices. She is right on education and on health, and she is right on defence.
Prove me wrong.
You’re wrong, but it will take a long response to say why. I’ll have it up by dawn.
Afghanistan? Really?
Wow.
Add in Assange, he is an egotistical sociopath with all the reckless mayhem such men can cause. And have throughout history.
Take a breath sad faced knight and think again. Do you seriously believe that Julian Assange has caused “reckless mayhem”? What other reckless mayhem causers are you comparing him with throughout history?
Luther perhaps?
I could give a list, but I’ll leave the readers to their own devices on this one. Any names named would of necessity be controversial.
I’ll give you a list of the recent past,more “intrusive” than Assange, mayhem now let me see:
Bin Laden
George Bush
Tony Blair
The Tunisian self immolating Fruit and Veg dealer that started the Arab Spring
The Beatles
Mark Arbib
Bill Shorten
Bernie Maddoff
Lehman Brothers
Joe McCarthy
Mikhail Gorbachov
Anders Breivik
MF Global
Assange in effect was releasing information in regards to those who cause mayhem on our behalf, in our employ, for our good, for our benefit, for which we pay them.
Off the top of my head Gerard Henderson exposed that smug oaf who hosts ABC Q&A TV series who claimed he was turning over cars and protesting against the Vietnam War. Jones would have been 14 or 15 years old and probably dobbing in his mates to the headmaster during that period. I also admire Andrew Bolt so that probably gets me instantly banned here…
Admire Bolt if you like, just don’t expect any agreement from anyone with any sense or discretion. Bolt decided years ago that being a right wing spruiker was more likely to make him money than being a left wing one. He is cynical hypocritical and mercenary.
And his research is lousy; but hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Agree - the oaf deserved to be exposed. Gerard Henderson gave this household a great laugh.
And got it right!
…and as for Gillard, she has the Midas touch but in reverse. Picking on her is like kicking a spastic.
What’s it like Frank?
” kicking a spastic”, I mean.
As for Bob Brown I am generally in agreement with Bob Ellis on this one; but Brown has never been in power and never had to compromise on his principles. Like Bob Ellis, he can afford to stand on the sidelines and blow raspberries at all and sundry.
Bob Brown’s latest raspberry is that the “Ocean Protector” and Audstralia should protect the oceans of the world; all of them, apparently, all 361 million square km of it; or perhaps all 1.37 billion cubic km of it.
Hyperbole, anyone?
Bob Brown has “never had to compromise……”.
You’ve got something right - also
Bob Brown was wrong when he called for the victor in the 2011 to completely phase out coal exports.
….Apologies, that should read “victor in the 2007 election”.
I think Henderson once accurately reported that Bob Menzies was leader of the Liberal Party. That’s about it.
To allthumbs :
Your list of ’causers of mayhem’ deliberately misinterprets my post. The egotistical sociopaths I had in mind included Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin. There is some dispute about Hitler and Mussolini but the others are lay down.
Your list was farcical.
I hope you enjoy your lunch with Ellis; you can swap stories about which of your ‘raspberries’ you enjoyed the most.
If you equate Assange with Genghis Khan, Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin, you obvioulsy have no sense of history, its range, scope or consequences.
“Quixote” how apt!
From one who uses hyperbole so freely, that is a little rich.
But no, I don’t equate Assange with them; for all their faults they were great men, whilst Assange is more of a bomb chucker, a Gavrilo Princip in world history.
Doug Quixote, you will have to make up your mind not only on Hitler and Stalin, but whether Assange is like them or not, first you say he is then you say he’s not? Reckless mayhem is ok if caused by great men, is that your stance? I have to draw my own conclusions from what you write as you seem unable to articulate exactly what you mean from one minute to the next, I do not mean to misrepresent you at all.
Ich schenke Sie viele viel himbeeren!
allthumbs, you are a fool.
If I say Assange is an egotistical sociopath, that is one thing. That there have been others of that ilk in history, that is another.
“The cat is grey” does not mean that “all grey things are cats”.
Bob, cancel that lunch.
Name calling it just gets better and better.
YOU:Add in Assange, he is an egotistical sociopath with all the reckless mayhem such men can cause. And have throughout history.
ME:Do you seriously believe that Julian Assange has caused “reckless mayhem”? What other reckless mayhem causers are you comparing him with throughout history?
YOU:I could give a list, but I’ll leave the readers to their own devices on this one. Any names named would of necessity be controversial.
YOU:The egotistical sociopaths I had in mind included Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin
Mate if you don’t mean what you say then don’t say it.
viele viele viele himbeeren!
You left our your absurd list from the exchange of dialogue. Perhaps I should remind you :
(quote)
I’ll give you a list of the recent past,more “intrusive” than Assange, mayhem now let me see:
Bin Laden
George Bush
Tony Blair
The Tunisian self immolating Fruit and Veg dealer that started the Arab Spring
The Beatles
Mark Arbib
Bill Shorten
Bernie Maddoff
Lehman Brothers
Joe McCarthy
Mikhail Gorbachov
Anders Breivik
MF Global
(end quote)
Perhaps you should look up the definition of sociopath.
The ones you refer to are arguably causes of mayhem, but of them Breivik is probably a psychopath, and the others . . . off the wall.
As for name calling, you are the one who took issue with my pseudonym.
I won’t hold my breath waiting for your apology.
Oh, and stick your German raspberry up your arse.
I am loving Google translate.
I seem to have won the field, the foe has retreated, tail twixt its thumbs.
I seem to have won the field, the foe has retreated, tail twixt its thumbs
Common traits of the Sociopath.
Glibness and Superficial Charm
Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible.
They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used.
Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities.
No prizes for second.
No prizes for second
Grandiose Sense of Self
Ticking all the boxes
Does this mean that you now agree with me about Asssange?
Doug we are never going to agree on this and now I just find you tedious.
I’ve read other posts of yours, and I don’t see you as an implacable foe, in many things I agree with things you say. But you drew the comparison between Assange and the rest of your sociopath list and I cannot see any resemblance and I certainly cannot see any evident havoc wreaked by Assange as foretold by the likes of Gillard and Clinton et al upon the world.
If you consider yourself a Victor in this exchange it is obvious you have way too much time and very little else to occupy yourself with.
Victory is yours, take a lap, and let the crowds bedeck your way with flowers
Danke Schoen. I tend to agree with your posts as well, if the truth be told.