David Black July 7, 2012 at 8:11 am
‘The Syrian gene pool is losing every hour its Guevaras, Bolivars, Orwells, Jeffersons, Bob Dylans.’
Are the Guevaras (psychotic beret-wearing mass-murderers)of history fit to be counted among the Jeffersons, Dylans etc? I would hope not.
Doug Quixote July 7, 2012 at 8:19 am
Where do you get off with this narrow nit-picking shit, Mr Black? I hope Ellis takes the long handle to you; I’ve had more than enough of it.
Helvi July 7, 2012 at 9:49 am
DQ, why did it take you so long see this…did you have blinkers on, or did you not want see it.
Doug Quixote July 7, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Pardon, Helvi? What do you mean?
Bob Ellis July 8, 2012 at 4:34 am
Che spent a good many of his few years on earth as a doctor in a leper colony.
Psychotic mass-murderer, was he?
They let psychotic mass-murderers through med school in those days, did they?
What, Sir David, are you talking about?
David Black July 7, 2012 at 9:44 am
If Ernesto Guevara was in Syria right now, he would be organizing murder squads for the regime, as he did in Havana – while wearing that beret of course.
Canguro July 7, 2012 at 10:24 am
A supporter of murderous regimes and thuggish dictators, are you? If you’d been in Cuba at that time you’d have been on Batista’s side, yes?
It fits, given your comment about Guevara being a member of a group of “psychotic beret-wearing mass-murderers”
Mate I guess you’re one of these trolls who garner their history from comic books.
Psychotic? Mass-murderer? Hmmm, maybe the Assad PR campaign could use your talents.
Apologists for corruption aren’t the most popular types these days, but I suppose one has to acknowledge your willingness to nail your colors to the mast, and take what comes.
Re. your risible criticism of Guevara’s headwear, fuck off. Wrong blog for those comments, and berets are cool. Go to hats.com where you can troll to your heart’s content, berets, beanies, bucket hats… mate, it’s made for you.
dawsonb July 7, 2012 at 10:45 am [Edit]
Just because Batista was bad, this does not necessarily make Guevera good.
As for the beret, I wear one. Nothing wrong with that.
Bob Ellis July 8, 2012 at 4:49 am [Edit]
See Motorcycle Diaries, then Che 1 and Che 2. All are absolutely true. The idealistic young doctor saw evil and joined the fight against it. In the course of that fight he executed men he thought to be traitors and weak links, deeds he might now be tried for in The Hague. There is no one thing that is true, as Castro’s friend Hemingway said. It is all true.
He won, though, a difficult war against the Mafia-financed dictator Batista, (business associate then of Sir David Black), in a victory that bought literacy, free health care, free food, free honeymoons and free universities to all Cubans, and economic persecution by the Americans for fifty years.
Sir David Black resents him because of the millions he, Black, was then making out of the Mafia casinos in Havana, and a woman, Elena Santos Ramirez, Che stole from him in 1961. My friend Soderbergh knew this, but to my annoyance left it out of Che 1. ‘We have to skip those years,’ he said.’The David Black stuff is too contentious, even now.’
It certainly explains Sir David’s continued attacks on a good dead man, which have puzzled for so long the civilised world.
He has not, some say, been the same, poor man, since his brother Conrad was put in gaol for company fraud and wrote there an approving biog of the satanic socialist FDR and David was stripped of his knighthood after his part in the collapse of Northern Rock in 2008 and the family lost all that money, and the gambling debts he now has to James Packer, with whom he plays poker once a month.
Easy to make up stories, isn’t it? There will always be someone young enough to believe them.
Canguro July 7, 2012 at 11:43 am [Edit]
And what is a good man, I wonder?
One who stays out of trouble, and obeys the laws and does all that is asked of him by those who pretend to exercise authority? Is he simply an obedient man?
Or is he someone whose conscience burns so fiercely that he cannot but behave in the way he does when faced with injustices, suffering, cruelties and so on.
D Black’s willingness to postulate that Guevara was a psychotic mass-murderer demonstrates how fucked-up is the process of determining an objective position when in possession of a unawakened conscience, for what he appears to be implying is that Guevara’s legacy is reduced to his involvement in the revolutionary movements in Cuba & Bolivia, and in that process of judgement he has necessarily ignored Guevara’s good works; his medical work, the voluntary work with lepers, the inspirational and organizational roles in the new Cuban govt, and so on.
What is a good man? Perhaps Mr. Black can give us his view on this.
If Guevara doesn’t make the grade, then who, and for what reasons? Is Bob Ellis a good man, for his views? Or worthy of scorn for his bleeding heart identification with the sufferers of injustice?
Given our common occupancy of the Towers of Babel, it’s unlikely we’ll reach a consensus on this subject, and even though I suspect English is our first language, I’m pretty sure I speak a different version to Mr Black.
And yes, I do wear a beret, but not as a dumb identification device, just that these damn winter Sydney nights are not so warm and I live in a house without heating.
hudsongodfrey July 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Well Bob I suppose it appeals to the lesser of two evils to make a bargain with a man like Assad. Of course the problem with the proposal would seem to be having him believe we intend to stick to it once his bargaining chip is surrendered.
allthumbs July 7, 2012 at 12:20 pm
We could hold Karl Lagerfeld hostage and have Assad’s wife do the negotiation, a small black dress is all it would cost, she’d have her husband eating out of her hand, out of her hand Itellya.
Helvi July 7, 2012 at 12:29 pm
LBD from Lagerfeld for her and LBB from some up and coming young designer for him,(his head is not very big so a little beret will do).
Chris July 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm
The ‘Arafat’ method appeals.