It may be worth telling Sarah Ferguson this, or it may not, but it takes a village to drown a child.
It’s not just a ‘greedy people smuggler’ who puts them into frail boats on rough seas. It’s the Australian authorities who burn the less frail boats that get here. It’s the Australian authorities who will not let them on a Qantas flight, and decide when they get here if they deserve to stay. It’s the Australian authorities who aren’t on the right side of Christmas Island with rescue equipment when a boat smashes on the rocks in a great storm at dawn.
It’s the Australian authorities who imagine mothers with children and relatives here have no right to be here.
If they’re genuine refugees, why make it hard for them to get here? If they’re not genuine refugees why not send them back? Why force them into boats at all? Why? Why do it?
And, oh yes, it’s the Australian authorities at war in Iraq and Afghanistan who help make those places unliveable. If we had not been at war there, smashing up their lives and their communities and their marriages and their ancient alliances, they would not be trying to get here. They would not be trying to get away.
Give me a break. The self-righteousness of this disgusting, prurient, stalking woman deserves many years in gaol in The Hague. She is wrecking the lives of children living in peace here with some hope of a future, at school in a Canberra suburb. What did they ever do to her? Or to us, the Australian people, who came on other boats in other decades?
What does she think she is doing?
Helping?
Anyone?
Just asking.
I will debate her anytime. Anywhere.
Name:
Thank you Bob. Last time she did this nonsense she made a young man spend nearly an extra year in prison because it was his father she called a people smuggler.
And Natalie O’Brien gave us ample evidence on the weekend that Australian authorities allowed refugees to drown rather than expose their own crimes against humanity in Indonesia.
Ferguson relies on one man who already declared that if he can’t come here no-one else can.
Still it was one of the biggest story misfires in history I reckon.
I wonder what it is going to take for the fucking useless media in this country to get it through their skulls that refugees are allowed under law to pay anyone they damn well please to get to safety.
I swear to god we would have locked up the man who sold the donkey to Mary and Joseph as a people smuggler.
There are 6 protocols and treaties we ratified that show it is nothing to do with smuggling or our policy or anything else but Sarah Ferguson is a dingbat.
How will she feel if the innocent family of the man she abused and harassed are locked up or deported back to Iraq because of her own lunacy.
Some of us don’t know what you are talking about. Or who Sarah Ferguson is.I think this post need some background.
Go to 4 Corners where Sarah Ferguson claims that there are so-called people smugglers living here.
There always have been but so what?
She got a lot of gossip and innuendo but did not prove a single thing.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/31/3515475.htm
Yet when the transcript is read there is no mention of one other person ever brought to Australia by the man she called part of a criminal gang.
Now she was told after her last lies that it was not people smuggling and that she endangered lives.
Compare her nonsense to this.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/as-108-drowned-they-cried-pray-for-us-20120602-1zoix.html
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/australias-bungles-and-coverups-exposed-20120602-1zoiy.html
http://www.smh.com.au/national/they-called-and-called-but-got-no-answers-20120602-1zoj1.html
So the day after we discover that the AFP and others allowed 108 innocent people to drown Sarah Ferguson brings on a story that is nothing but innuendo and no proof.
A Homage to Marilyn Shepherd, Deranged: So what?! Illegal immigrants are dying at sea because of these people and you want to give them the Order of Australia.
If last night’s 4 Corners did anything it confirmed that Tony Abbott and his compassionate refugee policy is what is needed to stop the boats.
Driving them back out to sea at gunpoint you mean.
What are you talking about?
False Prophet, are you and Marilyn the same person?
Answer the question. Driving them back out to sea is merciful is it.
Say why.
There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant and your gloating that they drown because of us is beyond the pale.
The 4 corners episode last night Reader 1. Sarah Ferguson was the presenter & it was supposedly about a “people smuggler”.
Bob you are trully out to lunch. The people in Afghanistan and Iraq were happy go luck citizens with freedom, joy and laughter prior to the Australian involvement on the ground? Put down the mateus old boy. Iraqis existed under a cruel regime (I do note the aftermath of the war was not ideal), and Afghanis were subject to a totaltarian regime where laughter, women and freedom of expression were trampled.
Those who advocate an ‘open border’ strategy have no concept of the impact. They cost to Australian society will be crippling, and of course those who voice it loudest are paid by the public purse so it makes no difference to them (or in Marilyn’s case employed by the Dept. of Climate Change to extract fillings from the dead).
Your old mate Gerard actually summed it up quite nicely – red light at the front door, green light at the back. People should be discouraged at all costs from risking their lives traveling across the sea to get here, but if they do arrive (and found to be geniune refugees) they should be given support (such as language skills etc…) and encouragement to become part of our diverse social fabric.
It is the Greens and leftist policies advocating open slather that puts people into a situation where ultimately they could be killed.
So if they pass the Trial by Water, as in medieval times, they can stay, is that it?
What a sweet, old-fashioned boy you are .
The Spanish Inquisition would be proud of you.
As they are, of course, of Gerard.
And, oh yes, ask any Iraqi if life was better– and safer — under Saddam. You’ll find about 78 percent saying it was. And 90 percent of the women. And all the Christians.
You don’t have to ask the Afghans if they want the Taliban back. They already are back. And we’re begging them to join our coalition.
You may be right about the Iraqis – who would have said anything out of fear, living under a regime not unlike the gestapo. The only upside of Saddam was he was at least notionally secular and the women were not treated like livestock.
Fear is a powerful thing Bob – they don’t want the Taliban back. They don’t want to hand over their song birds, their freedom and their young boys.
I do agree with you that the treatment of Christians in middle east countries is horrendous and not receiving the coverage it should.
What’s the alternative? Where do you stop Bob? They are more refugees around the globe then Australia can possibly handle. How do we choose who is to come? And when do we stop? Human suffering exists and when as a nation are incapable of altering that.
Sentimentality and good intentions aside, the practicalities of such a pursuit are never contemplated by the Left or your good self Bob. It is a practical impossibility what you suggest and in fact would simply create problems here.
What problems have we created here that are worse than the bikies who are mostly Anglo-Celts?
Name some.
1. The invention of Australian Rules Football.
2. Making 91 episodes of Skippy The Bush Kangaroo.
3. Kyle Sandilands
Perhaps the misunderstood me. The problems I refer to Bob (noting you failed to provide an alternative to the open door policy which would fail and involve the deaths of more poor souls) is if you open the doors and do not cap the number of refugees allowed. Then the state has a far larger burden to deal with as the population increases. The problem is one of providing services. Providing care. Providing support to these people. Who will pay for it? (and a glib remark about Gina won’t do Bobby boy). As I said the Left bangs on about good intentions this and that but never thinks pragmatically.
Do not. Ever. Call me Bobby. Boy.
‘These people’ is only ever a racist phrase.
Why not cap the number of refugees at the number that came in last year?
They have passed the Trial By Water. Not all of them have drowned.
Why traumatise their children further?
Please answer this.
Bob wrote: “And, oh yes, ask any Iraqi if life was better– and safer — under Saddam. You’ll find about 78 percent saying it was. And 90 percent of the women. And all the Christians.”
An often overlooked point, Bob, not happily reconciled with the public rhetoric from the Coalition of the Willing.
Interventions against sovereign states must, as their first priority, have
a plan for transition for their cause to be just and humanitarian.
Of course, the sad truth is the strategic imperatives of the invader make for a far more ompelling
reason to interfere.
Perfect Bob – but what happens if this number is exceeded? What do you do with those over the quota? Answer me this? What is the humane way you advocate to return that individual who arrives and the quota is full. What happens if half of those on the boat are under the quota, whilst the other half out?
We cannot cap the number of refugees for a simple reason – everyone has the right to seek asylum and if 1,000 arrive or 20,000 arrive or 2 million they all have that right.
That was Bob’s suggestion. So you’re obviously in the intergalactic ‘open borders’ camp Mazza. Who do you envisage paying for the services the new arrivals would need? I cannot imagine you pay a lot of tax on your wage as a filling-remoalist with the Dept. of Climate Change. The individuals who come across the sea require the best help we can provide not some slapdash, minimalist service.
Make them wait till the next calendar year.
Pre-War
President Palin: We invade Australia.
Advisor: I thought they were our friends?
President: They’re selling their minerals to China now.
Advisor: But they are the closest model to ours in S.E.Asia. They have religious tolerance, women’s rights, education and health for all… And on what pre-text do we invade?
President Palin: 9/11
Advisor: I thought we did that ourselves.
President: Wash your mouth out. The Australians did it. The Prime Minister…what’s his name?
Advisor: Rex Connor.
President: He’s a tyrant. He’s hiding WMDs.
Advisor: But The UN says they can’t find any.
President: We’ll find them later after we’ve secured the minerals.
Advisor: But Australia only has 2 boats and 3 planes. How will it defend itself.
President: All the better to use our old shit when we bomb the crap out of them. Keep the good stuff in case we need it against Japan, France, or Germany, the new axis of evil. Start the softening up by going straight for Sydney and Melbourne’s residential zones. Plenty of fireworks. Make sure it’s good television.
Advisor: I think that is illegal.
President: You’re a bit slow, aren’t you. Tony’s bringing Britain along for the ride. Indonesia, Malaysia, and Guam, say they will be in it too…not that they had a choice. We’ll repay them with scrap-metal.
Advisor: But Sydney and Melbourne will be destroyed.
President: Think, think. And who cleans up? Rebuilds? Contracts…tenders…we are talking a re-vitalised industry…pay off a few favours in the process…
Advisor: But Australian soldiers are called the rats of the desert. How will we dig them out?
President: Well see after we bulldoze over the top of them.
Advisor: And our losses?
President: A few niggers maybe…Put the dumbest in the front tanks. Keep them pumped with chemicals…
Post-War
600,000 to 1,000,000 Australians dead, wounded, or missing. 12 US casualties, all caused by friendly fire or motor accidents. US denies the rape of thousands of women. Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Hobart, large areas destroyed, no fresh water, no infrastructure, no hospitals, no schools. Perth and Brisbane spared to assist in removal of minerals.
On a blog site in Chicago, ex-Australian, Verily Nostradamus, had this to say about the War’s outcome: “Australians are now far better off no longer living under a tyrant like Rex Connor”
If, as the program alleges, known people smugglers have been allowed in to Australia after only 3 months in detention, while genuine refugees have to spend years inside, why did it miss the real point? The program should have been about finding out which immigration, police and other officers are the ones who must be on the take and in the know to make this happen? That’s the real scandal, surely: corruption and collusion with international supermarket trolley gatherers in Australia’s public service.
Yes well it usually happens when some Australian journo blows the spies.
Problem is that the accomplice of Abdul Kadem is only in his 30′s and this guy is in his late 50′s.
Its the role of an investigative reporter to point out failings of the system. I have no issues with that. I can smell a Walkely award in the making!
If her story is true Bob what do you say to the families living on welfare in the ACT who are still on the waiting list for public housing?
There should be more public housing. Building it would stimulate the economy and a levy of twenty cents a week would fund it.
What does one man getting a house have to do with anything at all?
The Ferguson story was a big fat lie and dangerous nonsense.
But she didn’t point out any failing of the system, she simply jeopardised the life of one man based on gossip.
Meanwhile not a mention that Australia drowned 108 people rather than expose their illegal spies in Indonesia.
A Scott Morrison/Lib thing just floated into my inbox in which the ABC piece gets a very small mention, then launches into the usual.
How coincidental.
http://liberalpartyofaustralia.createsend1.com/t/ViewEmail/r/6846D43348EEF2EE/611C9535024AEBC9942A2DF08F503B7C
It sickens me that Bowen and Morrison are two wealthy little boys from the suburbs who have never known a days hardship in their lives, don’t care a jot about human rights and simply abuse the most vulnerable people in the world.
Records show that “DIAC are still getting 90% of the Afghan case load wrong which puts thousands of Afghans in limbo for years.
I suspect we will find that the AFP let the 97 people drown to protect their spy.
This sort of post does your credibility no favours Marilyn.
I agree.