Doug Quixote May 18, 2012 at 6:18 pm
First item is that nothing of interest was burned in the fire at “Shakespeare’s house”, for De Vere did not live there.
One of De Vere’s houses was sold in about 1590 and the lady who bought it mysteriously turned up with a Shakespearean poem in about 1591, later published. Very interesting as ‘Shakespeare’ published no poetry before the classics “Venus and Adonis” and “The Rape of Lucrece”.
(Published in 1593 and 1594 respectively, that was)
The next item of interest is from Derek Jacobi :
“Like a growing number of interested parties, I have had grave doubts for some time now of the validity of the Stratford man’s claim to have written some of the greatest literature the world has produced. Indeed, I must admit that it still seems incredible to me that one mind could possibly have encompassed such a monumental feat–but if so, that man is most likely to have been Edward de Vere–possibly with a little collaboration. …
I have taken part in thirty-one of the plays so far, and I can imagine–I can feel–someone behind the words whose education and life experiences, whose knowledge of all strata of society, whose relationships and temperament simply do not fit the grain hoarder, the money lender and the entrepreneur, but chime accurately, and at times indelibly, with what we know about de Vere. And it’s not enough to say, “Oh, but the works of Shakespeare survive whoever wrote them; it doesn’t therefore matter.” Yes, it does! The disclosure of the real author would enhance not only the historical significance but also the contemporary excitement of these treasures for both actors and spectators; and it shouldn’t be regarded as potential professional suicide, heresy or an actor’s silliness to come out and say so. “ (Derek Jacobi)
Jacobi has lived and breathed Shakespeare for forty years, and may have aquired some insights.
As Eric Blair was ‘George Orwell’, so is Edward De Vere ‘William Shakespeare’.
….allthumbs May 19, 2012 at 12:51 am
Ah but Doug, John Bell of Bell Shakespeare is of the opposite hue, see his book “On Shakespeare” and draws the exact opposite conclusion.
Funnily enough I was reading Stephen Greenblat’s “Will in the World” and he makes reference to a view from a Stratford bridge, where the current of water does a strange curling back on itself and Shakespeare uses it in one of his plays, and Greenblatt notes something like only a Warwickshire lad would have noticed that, and De Vere is no Warwickshire lad. Not more than a day later I was persuing some of Ovid’s Metamorphoses, and by sheer chance noticed the following lines from the story of Scylla and MInos:
Just as the Phrygian river Meander sports and plays in his running stream with the ebb and flow of his teasing course-
and keeps his wavering currents in motion, back to their headspring, or out to the open sea so Dadedalus’ warren of passages wandered this way and that.
Now, it is often said that Shakespeare used and cited Ovid often and lovingly, and his grammar school education would have had him learning the entire book by rote in Latin. And is it not uncanny that a Warwickshire lad would note the similarity of the eccentric way a river ran in the same motion, in Stratford as in ancient Greece? And would that not have been a moment of wonderful pleasure to notice such a thing and marry the two instances? Please don’t say, “and your point is?” I offer it as an observation.
…..Doug Quixote May 19, 2012 at 6:59 am
And thus do all the Stratfordian apologists.
They find a passage which might be twisted to support the illiterate man of Stratford, and then extrapolate “it must have” and “surely he did”
etc etc etc.
Have you looked at this site?
http://www.authorshipstudies.org/index.cfm
There are several articles, well researched and written.
De Vere loved Ovid. In his youth he lived with Arthur Golding :
“Scholars regard Arthur Golding’s translation of Ovid’s Metamorphoses as a leading influence on Shakespeare, second only to the Bible.
Arthur Golding was Edward de Vere’s maternal uncle, and Edward, when a teen, lived with him. Golding, in a dedication of one of his works to the young Edward de Vere, saluted his nephew’s interest in and command of history.”
(Mark Alexander and Prof Daniel Wright op cit.)
Third item is that De Vere had work in progress at the date of his death, and it seems clear to me that several of the later plays were unfinished, and other hands tried to complete them – as Schussmeyer completed Mozart’s Requiem, and as Barry Cooper has attempted to complete Beethoven’s “10th symphony”.
Since De Vere died in June 1604, the dates of the plays should be revised; but as we generally accept Mozart’s Requiem, so may we accept that Macbeth, Titus Andronicus, Timon of Athens, Pericles and Henry VIII in particular were partly completed by other playwrights, but are still ‘Shakespeare’s’ plays.
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